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gta schreef:Ons team was aanwezig met Eyvind Brynildsen en hij was de eerste die bij het ongeval is gestopt..
Het meisje zat netjes aan de kant en op een veilige plaats, toen de auto is gaan rollen is ze naar haar ouders gelopen en is door de Subaru geraakt.. een zeer tragische gebeurtenis...

Het meisje was tevens een Fan van Mikkelsen en keek al ruime tijd uit naar deze rally, en was niet de eerste rally die ze heeft gezien.

Mikelsen betreft geen schuld, was een normaal rally ongeval als zo vele.

Wel zeer veel lof voor de organistaie die toen alle rijders terug waren in het service park de eerste 10 appart heeft genomen en ze hebben allen prive met iemand kunnen spreken over wat ze hebben meegemaakt.
Men moet niet vergeten dat Mikkelsen of Brynildsen nog maar 20 jaar zijn, en er zijn vele jonge rijders in Noorwegen, en ze waren zeer geemotioneerd..

Iskald schreef:Agree with you on most counts. But not when you say that "tarmac is not the issue". Everybody involved in this sport - and as a former competitor I belong among them - knows that (dry) tarmac is much more unpredictable than any other road surface. As I in this instance also happen to have access to detailed information about Andreas Mikkelsen tragic accident, I can tell you that tarmac was definitely an issue in this case.

Even more of an issie was the fact that the girl was sitting in a chair, while the father and another person was standing on their feet right next to her. Both the two grown ups had time to react and run away, with some margin actually. The girl never got out of her chair.

So please, all rally fans, leave the camping chairs at home! Stand upright on your feet and be observant - at all times! It may well save your life - even when a rally car changes direction really abrupt and unpredictably.

motorsportforums.com schreef:Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Agree.
Just a few seconds thought and anybody will agree that tarmac iitself gives more grip.
Tarmac on tarmac tires and decent set up meants higher corner speeds.

The most important thing is what the driver---me--expects.
I don't expect or count on fantastic absolute grip on gravel or snow-----
so it is no surprise if I don't have them..

We all expect good grip on tarmac.
Even wet tarmac--with the right tires, we expect grip.
Bearing in mind we can corner faster, which means we're faster down the straight and the regularity of the surface---we expect grip...


And are usually just along for the ride once we lose grip---unlike gravel, recoveries are rare. (And a fair amount of that is probably down to the shape of the footprint of the tires used.)

Tarmac=evil


I used to be a tarmac racer for many years (roundy-roundy stuff) and has driven thousands of kilometres with slicks on racing cirquits. But I have also been a codriver in rallying - and sat beside reading pacenotes in quite a few tarmac rallies. It is very interesting to note the total difference in these two disciplines. Most racing cirquits normally has an even and flat surface with few bumps (even the old Nürburgring...), while tarmac roads very often are uneven and bumpy, making the ride unpredictable and unstable. You just don`t find many jumps with "kickback" on a racing cirquit, while an unsuspecting looking small crest can give a lift-off on a normal road. A road is not a race cirquit, but in tarmac rallying we are trying to use the roads as exactly that. We run rally cars with stiffened and lowered suspension - and we use racing (slick) tyres. A properly set up tarmac rally car functions as a racing car, but is run on something very different from a racing cirquit.

We should also remember that a tarmac racing driver uses practice and qualifying to learn the track exact every yard round. During many laps you perfect your braking points and apexes .If there are any bumps or uneven patches you know about them, and you know exactly how the cars reacts when you drive across them.

Then turn to tarmac rallying. You do two passes of recce, writing the pacenotes and adjusting them - and the speed is maybe 50-60 km/h. Ever so often you have not driven the stages anytime before. You try to max out the pace notes to use the whole width of the road (sometimes even with cuts with one pair of wheels outside the road surface), and you are taking every possible chance to straightline any part of the road in your pace note description. You are going flat out from the start of the stage, with very little knowledge really about bumps and things that can make the car unstable. You just have to hope that the crest at 5.4 kms - in your notes it`s a keep max left flat over crest - turns out to be a nasty little jump kicking you towards the edge of the road. And if so is the case you will be a passenger instead of a driver, because when you correct your mistake you propably end up losing all your grip. But suddenly it grips again and the car changes direction so fast that you never will react fast enough. The next counterslide just throws you off the road. Exit left or right, and exit rally. This is tarmac rallying.

Tarmac isn`t evil in itself, but maxed-out tarmac rallying can be evil....

Holkers schreef:aaaah. hadden we allemaal boehoe moeten roepen dan? Ik lees het en denk k*t voor de familie en vrienden van dat meisje. Kl*ten voor Mikkelsen en hopelijk is het niet zijn schuld. Daarna kijk ik verder.

motorsportforums.com schreef:Originally Posted by janvanvurpa
Tarmac=evil

Luijbregts schreef:

Holkers schreef:aaaah. hadden we allemaal boehoe moeten roepen dan? Ik lees het en denk k*t voor de familie en vrienden van dat meisje. Kl*ten voor Mikkelsen en hopelijk is het niet zijn schuld. Daarna kijk ik verder.

Typisch. Vanwege zo'n houding verhuis ik dus niet meer terug naar Nederland. Dat je zelf niet begrijpt dat dit nergens op slaat. Denk even een stapje verder, wordt je eigen levenskwaliteit ook beter van.

Rare mensen helaas op deze planeet.

Rob Luijbregts